cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29626776
[“fierce opposition”? Don’t bet on it.]
By TIA GOLDENBERG and SAM MEDNICK
Updated 5:25 AM EDT, May 5, 2025TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Israel approved plans on Monday to capture the entire Gaza Strip and remain in the territory for an unspecified amount of time, two Israeli officials said, in a move that if implemented would vastly expand Israel’s operations in the Palestinian territory and likely bring fierce international opposition.
Israeli Cabinet ministers approved the plan in an early morning vote, hours after the Israeli military chief said the army was calling up tens of thousands of reserve soldiers.
This was the plan the whole time; genocide and conquest.
Remember when everyone was like, “What??? They would never do that!”
Sure don’t.
I do remember thinking that any of my fellow Americans who refused to vote for Kamala because she wasn’t anti-Israel enough for them were super fucking stupid because electing Trump obviously OBVIOUSLY O B V I O U S L Y would lead to this exact outcome.
That’s what I remember.
This was obviously the outcome no matter who was elected. Israel has always been very clear about this.
Israeli officials were waiting for Trump to get elected so they could act with a free hand. This is untrue.
well I held my vote for the Democrats, i don’t know what else you want me to do.
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Good thing the dems made it easy by putting the interests of a foreign genocidal apartheid state before their voters. With a bit of luck, we might be able to successfully blame everyone but them, and they might be confident enough to repeat the same strategy and lose the next election as well.
They are receiving plenty of blame. In the mean time, we get to watch Trump destroy our country, cheer on the genocide in Gaza, and openly flirt with invading our allies. All thanks to the morons that bought into propaganda telling them not to vote.
So you’re saying the democrats are receiving proper blame for supporting the genocidal state, but it’s the people who didn’t vote for either of the pro-genocide candidates that are to blame?
Why do so many people constantly just misframe this argument as “it’s the people who didn’t vote’s fault!” And not the fault of the actual people in power for not standing up to a genocide, for once again moving right to capture a “centrist swing” voter, for parading out the fucking neocons as proof of their ability to fucking govern, and for openly arming the genocide?
You want to lay blame at voters’ feet, but not the people who couldn’t do enough to earn the votes of people…asking not to be involved in genocide. Our votes aren’t theirs to fucking have no matter what they do. What they have done and will do in power matters. If it doesn’t, what the fuck is the point of voting? Why not just trade places back and forth for increasingly bold warmongers and autocrats?
Don’t blame the voter for not sacrificing their morals and for not holding their nose and saying maybe they wont keep contributing to genocide. Blame the people fucking supporting genocide.
This is so myopic.
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Don’t blame the voters for not choosing the obviously better and more probable choice that would lead to protections for Palestinians than the guaranteed binary alternative outcome? Okay.
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Ignore the fact that much of the electorate is completely fucking ignorant and apathetic and duped by literally billions of dollars of misinformation flooding their media, both domestically but also including Israeli and Russian operations spreading disinformation? (something these Uncommitted voters became susceptible too in the boTh SiDes rhetoric, ind you)
I’m Pro-Palestinian. I’m Pro-Civilian. But if these couch-sitters really gave a fuck beyond empty moral grandstanding, then they should’ve focused on helping to inform their fellow voters why it’s important to help Gaza. After all, you want candidates to respect the will of the voters but ignore the ultimate reality that the electorate was clearly split on the issue just the same and made no attempt to influence the electorate? Put another way: instead of protesting the DNC convention, maybe you guys should’ve started protesting at church parking lots around the country and showing the horrors of Palestine, undercutting the media narrative? That would’ve been much more fruitful.
Because you’re lying to yourself if you think Harris would somehow be worse or equally unreachable like Trump.
Leaving aside the fact that you completely further enabled (a) a loss of LGBTQ+ rights in America, (b) Women’s rights by abortion access, (c) Climate change, and finally (d) became complicit in enabling Russia’s attempted genocide in Ukraine all the same. So please, step off the soapbox.
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Why do so many people constantly just misframe this argument as “it’s the people who didn’t vote’s fault!”
That’s easy, it goes like this:
If you and people like you had all voted for the Democratic candidate instead of witholding your vote because she wasn’t anti-Israel enough, Trump would have lost.
Then it continues:
If Trump had lost, this wouldn’t be happening.
Therefore:
It’s most directly Trump and his Nazi party’s fault, but voters who didn’t vote for Harris 100% share the blame for helping to elect Trump.
Easy motherfucking peasy.
Oh, you don’t like genocide? Then why’d you help enable it? And if you can pull your head out of Gaza’s asshole for a minute, why’d you enable the equivalent in the US with millions of deportations?
I suppose you think it’s Democratic voters’ fault. What, should have have all boycotted the vote so Trump could win harder? Do you think that’d have helped? If Harris came out as super anti-Israel, so that such voters would deign to vote for her, that she’d still have carried enough swing states to win? Because she wouldn’t have, that’s just reality.
Congrats to everyone who pulled this off; now Gaza, the USA, AND Ukraine are fucked. Well done! Xi and Vlad applaud you too!
But it’s just such a twisted way of thinking about it. You’re telling people to sacrifice their firmly held beliefs, and you’re mad at people who didn’t. But you’re not expending any of that energy trying to change the problematic politicians.
I understand trump is worse. But that does not guarantee his opponent any votes simply because they aren’t him. They have actively turned further and further away from us. At what point does that ever affect your vote? They were taking part in an active genocide. And openly claiming they were not going to change that.
…what do they have to do to lose your vote? Could they be actively rounding up people in work camps?
We all understand the difference between trump and the dems.
But my entire point is what is your vote worth? Apparently it’s worth not very much and can stomach at least genocide without being turned away. Not mine.
And if you’re going to keep blaming people, and not the politicians, then we are going to keep running into this problem. Because the trend has not been kind to us, to you or me. This keeps happening. The politicians have shown us their tactics will be continually moving to the right. It’s been that way my whole life. Genocide was the dealbreaker for me. Not for you. But this is the world we are living in now. And blaming us isn’t changing shit. Maybe you should start aiming your anger at the people making those choices.
It’s a simple moral calculus, don’t you see? You must always vote for Hitler and help him kill 5,000,000 people, if the alternative is somebody who’s going to kill 5,000,001 people.
I blame them for making my minority friends fear for the lives they’ve built in the us.
I blame them for making my trans sister fear for her life.
I blame them for allowing republicans to completely destroy social services and vital parts of the US government.
There was so much more at stake than continued genocide in a country half way around the world.
They deserve at least some of the blame, because they allowed all this to happen.
Ask yourself why you dont blame the party that decided to base their platform on supporting genocide. The dems chose the interests of a foreign nation committing genocide before the minority and trans community and the interest of their constituents in general.
If you’re dumb enough not to hold your nose for a presidential election, I don’t want want to waste my time.
I did hold my nose and voted for Kamala but I shouldnt have to. Thats my problem with it. I had to vote for genocide to try and stop trump and I hated it. Why couldnt we get a situation where we voted for better medicare and to stop trump.
Face it, the dems choose Israel over you and your loved ones and you’re pointing the finger at anyone but them.
And those “morons” will fall it again if the dems keep creating situations that make them look terrible. They are acting like villains, of course its easy for russia to convince people they are.
How easy is it to just tell Israel to fuck off? Yet im suppose to pat them on the back and blame the evil voters that just couldnt swallow their pride and support ethnic cleansing? Id rather they grew some balls and stopped presenting Trump Lite as their official party strategy.
They aren’t receiving enough blame if there are still people that are scapegoating ordinary folk that felt genocide, of all things, was were the line should be drawn. It’s normal to not support genocide, the lunatics that tried to push it as a platform are the only ones to blame.
By voting for Trump, you have insured the Palestinians are much worse off. At least with Harris there would’ve been a possibility of the US eventually condemning the genocide. Now we have the Trump admin cheering it on. So, how did voting the way you did help the Palestinian people?
I never voted for trump. I voted Kamala but im mature enough to understand that I shouldnt have to vote for genocide, the party should simply stop pushing it. I’m also smart enough to understand that the dems ultimately lost by putting Israel and their genocide before their actual voters.
The election is over, if all you learned from their mistake is that voters should just ignore genocide and not that the party should stop helping commit genocide, then I dont know what to tell you.
Good thing the dems made it easy by putting the interests of a foreign genocidal apartheid state before their voters. […] repeat the same strategy and lose the next election as well.
Republicans are literally laying the ground work to turn the USA into a fascist dictatorship that is in lock step with Russia and Israel, but alright cool. Good thing we have more concern for a foreign conflict then the survival of our own democracy.
I have never come across anyone supporting Trump on lemmy. I voted for Kamala but we are in a post election environment. The election is OVER and they betrayed us.
Demanding the dems stop supporting genocide on the grounds that it’s the right thing to do and it clearly alienated their voters is not supporting Trump.
Holding the dems accountable for the shit show they orchestrated at the behest of israel is not supporting Trump.
Demanding they start to actually represent us and demanding internal changes in the party is not supporting Trump.
Who are you supporting by defending their stance on genocide so consistently?
Who are you supporting by defending their stance on genocide so consistently?
Dems don’t support genocide. Claiming otherwise is outright misinformation FUD targeting Democratic voters to drive support for RUpublicans.
Dems don’t support genocide.
Then whose administration kept selling weapons for genocide from 2023 through 2024?
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/26/nx-s1-5309695/trump-gaza-video
That’s the man you supported.
Sure. All opposition to your genocide must be support for trump.
You will never admit that netanyahu was wrong prior to 2025.
As your links show, the dems created a massive vulnerability by supporting genocide. It doesnt say anything about them not supporting it.
The dems have to change their stance. Russia using their support for genocide against them doesnt mean we should support genocide. They kind of solve both problems by publicly condemning Israel and its what voters want as well.
