We don’t know that. There has never been a true communist country. And the few that are the closest to being communists have all struggled due to sanctions that have cut them from doing any resource exchange and led them to poverty, and leaving them to work with what they have, or what they can put their hands on.
And while I’m no fan of China, at least they’ve put the work to reduce their carbon footprint by planting a fuck ton of trees and build public mass transit across their country, and become the leaders in electric vehicle manufacturing. Now they just need to change how they produce electricity to something greener.
There are also never has been a real capitalist country.
There hasn’t been a true communist country because it can’t be done while keeping people free. What happens to those that don’t want to join, I hear you wonder? Maybe ask Russia and China about that. Maybe look up “the chekist”? Or maybe look up “Mass killings under communist regimes” on wikipedia?
All communist countries have been communist countries. They were countries with what communism is in the real world. That theoretic theater play where you call each other comrade is kids playing. Real communism is built with blood.
That doesn’t change the fact that capitalism, right now, is the main cause of global warming, of the plague that are plastics, the cause of overexploitation of resources, of world hunger and human misery.
While you claim that people under communism have suffered, it only lasted during a short historical period. And if you look over time how much suffering and destruction that capitalism has caused globally, it completely dwarfs what happened in communist dictatorships.
My whole point was that under capitalism, if something makes a profit, even killing poeple or the destruction of an entire planet, they’ll do it. Just look at how the US is selling weapons. Just look at how they’re tearing apart environmental protection laws. Look at how the top richest people in this world are only just 1%, yet contribute to the majority of carbon emissions ans trash.
Communist dictatorships aren’t famous for being ecologically friendly, quite the opposite, really. One example that springs to mind is the idiot Chinese dictator that thought that birds ate too many seeds so he just decided that the entire country would dedicate itself to murdering all the birds. When all was said and done, millions of birds were dead, all the insects went nuts on the grain plants and China got itself into a famine that killed millions.
That is a SINGLE example
Capitalism can be really really shitty but it doesn’t even come close to the horrors of communism
Yeah, I know, it’s all whataboutism if you point out that for the hundreds of thousands of deaths that capitalism has caused, communism has caused tens, if not hundreds of millions of deaths
But down to the core,you seem to hate capitalism because of the abusers. I fully agree that these abusers are assholes that should be locked up. But guess what, though? These abusers exist in any and every system out there, including in communism! At least capitalism gives the freedom for us to call these assholes out, a luxury you won’t have under communism as by design it has to curtail freedoms.
So how about you look with an open mind at capitalism and communism (but not too open, don’t let your brain fall out) and try to understand that “capitalism bad, communism good” is just horribly short sighted and naive
Edit: to add to your point of “my point is that under capitalism…”, uneer communism they did the same. You had a richer class and the plebs. The fact that the current 1% is so much richer really shows the success and power of capitalism, people can abuse it harder and leech out more, so they do. How about instead of Communism, we do capitalism with taxes done right? Anyone with a net worth over 10 million has all the excess go to taxes, 100%. You’ll end up with people who are slightly richer or poorer, but nothing excessive. The state receives a shit tonne of money which it can use for a socialist system that protects everyone, free healthcare, free education, free housing, we can even do universal income! Sounds a lot better to me.
Already your arguments are completely bogus from the start because you confuse communism with dictatorships. They’re not the same thing.
You’re kidding, right?
No, I’m not kidding. I can’t even think of where to start on how capitalism kills people. From the corporate health insurance companies that deny care for maximum profit, to pharmaceutical companies that make medicine unaffordable, to housing becoming so expensive that it’s become out of reach for even people with full time jobs, to food becoming so expensive that people are lining up at food banks and going hungry simply because they can’t afford the food that’s already plenty, to the cheapest wages that they’ll give employees to maximize their profits and even laying people off, to the simple human misery and slavery that’s being exploited globally by corporations to save on production costs, cutting costs in worker’s protections and conditions causing accidents and deaths in various manufactures and mines, cutting costs in environmental protections causing people to get poisoned by the toxic waste in their drinking water and air causing cancers, to how corporations will create food products with sugar and other things to make them addictive but causing obesity, heart failure, and other health issues, to the whole military industrial complex that can’t even survive without war and killing millions for profit. It kills by over-exploiting resources and causing global warming and environmental cataclysms. These are all attributable to capitalism. You can read more about this here. Or even here. Or more here Or there’s [a whole book about it. called Deaths of Despair by Anne Case and Angus Deaton](https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvpr7rb20.
It will do everything to keep the working class as poor as possible for maximum profit, to keep them as sick as possible for maximum profit, to keep them as stupid as possible for maximum profit, it just profits from human misery.
Capitalism is causing so much grief and suffering and death worldwide that it kills hundreds of millions every year. It has been denounced by so many great people as being an inhumane system, including Martin Luther King Jr. and many other human rights movement leaders.
Capitalism doesn’t kill the way a dictator will cause a famine in a region because people there criticize him. It kills people simply through its system. It kills nearly 1 million Americans every year.
And I haven’t even mentioned all the wars that the United States have started, to topple governments and put a pro-U.S. leader in place to keep control of precious resources for their own corporations’ profits.
Communist dictatorships aren’t famous for being ecologically friendly, quite the opposite, really. One example that springs to mind is the idiot Chinese dictator that thought that birds ate too many seeds so he just decided that the entire country would dedicate itself to murdering all the birds. When all was said and done, millions of birds were dead, all the insects went nuts on the grain plants and China got itself into a famine that killed millions.
As opposed to mass deforestation, destruction of entire ecosystems for mining and oil exploitation and the current global warming catastrophe that we’re dealing with due to the continued over exploitation of fossil fuels and the continued push for automotive industry? Puh-lease.
Capitalism can be really really shitty but it doesn’t even come close to the horrors of communism
Again, you’re mixing dictatorships with communism. And I’d say the horrors between the communist dictatorships that you speak of compared to the deaths caused by capitalism are less. Capitalism has been worse than communism overall in the cause of human deaths.
You’re making false assumptions about me here. Claiming dead people are a good thing? Where the fuck did I ever say that? That’s insulting, frankly.
Yeah, I know, it’s all whataboutism if you point out that for the hundreds of thousands of deaths that capitalism has caused, communism has caused tens, if not hundreds of millions of deaths
Yeah, a long time ago. Not anymore. Yet capitalism keeps on killing.
But down to the core,you seem to hate capitalism because of the abusers.
No. The system itself abuses people. That’s how it thrives.
At least capitalism gives the freedom for us to call these assholes out, a luxury you won’t have under communism as by design it has to curtail freedoms.
Oh yeah? How is that going in the U.S. right now? It seems you can’t criticize Trump without landing into some kind of trouble with the law.
And no, you can’t call these assholes out. Because whenever you do, you lose your job which is your whole lifeline. Without a job you can’t pay for a shelter, you can’t pay for food and you can’t pay for health care. And if you protest, you get beat up by the police who defend the rich elites and their property and land in jail. There’s no freedom of speech. At all.
So how about you look with an open mind at capitalism and communism (but not too open, don’t let your brain fall out) and try to understand that “capitalism bad, communism good” is just horribly short sighted and naive
You’re calling ME naive? Mr. Capitalism is the best system in the world? You’re asking ME to have an open mind? How about you pull your head out from the hole in the sand and open your eyes at how capitalism is ruining everything?
And again, you’re making assumptions about me and putting words into my mouth. I never said communism was good. I’m critiquing capitalism. You’re the one who’s been staunchly defending it, only through whataboutism, by bringing up communism, which YOU brought up. Not me.
Edit: to add to your point of “my point is that under capitalism…”, uneer communism they did the same. You had a richer class and the plebs. The fact that the current 1% is so much richer really shows the success and power of capitalism, people can abuse it harder and leech out more, so they do.
HAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT???
The fact that the world’s resources and money are owned by a handful of people is proof that capitalism is… a GOOD THING? It proves the success and power of that system? Are you fucking nuts?
Ok man, I don’t care anymore. You’ve got your opinion and it’s clearly biased.
It’s capitalism, baby!
No
It’s governments allowing this shit.
Communist dictatorships will just as happily invest in fossil fuels if the deal leader wants that
This has nothing to do with capitalism
We don’t know that. There has never been a true communist country. And the few that are the closest to being communists have all struggled due to sanctions that have cut them from doing any resource exchange and led them to poverty, and leaving them to work with what they have, or what they can put their hands on.
And while I’m no fan of China, at least they’ve put the work to reduce their carbon footprint by planting a fuck ton of trees and build public mass transit across their country, and become the leaders in electric vehicle manufacturing. Now they just need to change how they produce electricity to something greener.
No true Scotsman? Really?
There are also never has been a real capitalist country.
There hasn’t been a true communist country because it can’t be done while keeping people free. What happens to those that don’t want to join, I hear you wonder? Maybe ask Russia and China about that. Maybe look up “the chekist”? Or maybe look up “Mass killings under communist regimes” on wikipedia?
All communist countries have been communist countries. They were countries with what communism is in the real world. That theoretic theater play where you call each other comrade is kids playing. Real communism is built with blood.
That doesn’t change the fact that capitalism, right now, is the main cause of global warming, of the plague that are plastics, the cause of overexploitation of resources, of world hunger and human misery.
While you claim that people under communism have suffered, it only lasted during a short historical period. And if you look over time how much suffering and destruction that capitalism has caused globally, it completely dwarfs what happened in communist dictatorships.
My whole point was that under capitalism, if something makes a profit, even killing poeple or the destruction of an entire planet, they’ll do it. Just look at how the US is selling weapons. Just look at how they’re tearing apart environmental protection laws. Look at how the top richest people in this world are only just 1%, yet contribute to the majority of carbon emissions ans trash.
Brother, stop with the communist whataboutism.
You’re kidding, right?
Communist dictatorships aren’t famous for being ecologically friendly, quite the opposite, really. One example that springs to mind is the idiot Chinese dictator that thought that birds ate too many seeds so he just decided that the entire country would dedicate itself to murdering all the birds. When all was said and done, millions of birds were dead, all the insects went nuts on the grain plants and China got itself into a famine that killed millions.
That is a SINGLE example
Capitalism can be really really shitty but it doesn’t even come close to the horrors of communism
And yes, yes… Yes, I know, you will just either deny facts or just claim that millions of dead people is a good thing because of some mental gymnastics, but communism suuuucks. Wanna try https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes?
How about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekism?
Yeah, I know, it’s all whataboutism if you point out that for the hundreds of thousands of deaths that capitalism has caused, communism has caused tens, if not hundreds of millions of deaths
But down to the core,you seem to hate capitalism because of the abusers. I fully agree that these abusers are assholes that should be locked up. But guess what, though? These abusers exist in any and every system out there, including in communism! At least capitalism gives the freedom for us to call these assholes out, a luxury you won’t have under communism as by design it has to curtail freedoms.
So how about you look with an open mind at capitalism and communism (but not too open, don’t let your brain fall out) and try to understand that “capitalism bad, communism good” is just horribly short sighted and naive
Edit: to add to your point of “my point is that under capitalism…”, uneer communism they did the same. You had a richer class and the plebs. The fact that the current 1% is so much richer really shows the success and power of capitalism, people can abuse it harder and leech out more, so they do. How about instead of Communism, we do capitalism with taxes done right? Anyone with a net worth over 10 million has all the excess go to taxes, 100%. You’ll end up with people who are slightly richer or poorer, but nothing excessive. The state receives a shit tonne of money which it can use for a socialist system that protects everyone, free healthcare, free education, free housing, we can even do universal income! Sounds a lot better to me.
Already your arguments are completely bogus from the start because you confuse communism with dictatorships. They’re not the same thing.
No, I’m not kidding. I can’t even think of where to start on how capitalism kills people. From the corporate health insurance companies that deny care for maximum profit, to pharmaceutical companies that make medicine unaffordable, to housing becoming so expensive that it’s become out of reach for even people with full time jobs, to food becoming so expensive that people are lining up at food banks and going hungry simply because they can’t afford the food that’s already plenty, to the cheapest wages that they’ll give employees to maximize their profits and even laying people off, to the simple human misery and slavery that’s being exploited globally by corporations to save on production costs, cutting costs in worker’s protections and conditions causing accidents and deaths in various manufactures and mines, cutting costs in environmental protections causing people to get poisoned by the toxic waste in their drinking water and air causing cancers, to how corporations will create food products with sugar and other things to make them addictive but causing obesity, heart failure, and other health issues, to the whole military industrial complex that can’t even survive without war and killing millions for profit. It kills by over-exploiting resources and causing global warming and environmental cataclysms. These are all attributable to capitalism. You can read more about this here. Or even here. Or more here Or there’s [a whole book about it. called Deaths of Despair by Anne Case and Angus Deaton](https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvpr7rb20.
It will do everything to keep the working class as poor as possible for maximum profit, to keep them as sick as possible for maximum profit, to keep them as stupid as possible for maximum profit, it just profits from human misery.
Capitalism is causing so much grief and suffering and death worldwide that it kills hundreds of millions every year. It has been denounced by so many great people as being an inhumane system, including Martin Luther King Jr. and many other human rights movement leaders.
Capitalism doesn’t kill the way a dictator will cause a famine in a region because people there criticize him. It kills people simply through its system. It kills nearly 1 million Americans every year.
And I haven’t even mentioned all the wars that the United States have started, to topple governments and put a pro-U.S. leader in place to keep control of precious resources for their own corporations’ profits.
As opposed to mass deforestation, destruction of entire ecosystems for mining and oil exploitation and the current global warming catastrophe that we’re dealing with due to the continued over exploitation of fossil fuels and the continued push for automotive industry? Puh-lease.
Again, you’re mixing dictatorships with communism. And I’d say the horrors between the communist dictatorships that you speak of compared to the deaths caused by capitalism are less. Capitalism has been worse than communism overall in the cause of human deaths.
You’re making false assumptions about me here. Claiming dead people are a good thing? Where the fuck did I ever say that? That’s insulting, frankly.
Yeah, a long time ago. Not anymore. Yet capitalism keeps on killing.
No. The system itself abuses people. That’s how it thrives.
Oh yeah? How is that going in the U.S. right now? It seems you can’t criticize Trump without landing into some kind of trouble with the law.
And no, you can’t call these assholes out. Because whenever you do, you lose your job which is your whole lifeline. Without a job you can’t pay for a shelter, you can’t pay for food and you can’t pay for health care. And if you protest, you get beat up by the police who defend the rich elites and their property and land in jail. There’s no freedom of speech. At all.
You’re calling ME naive? Mr. Capitalism is the best system in the world? You’re asking ME to have an open mind? How about you pull your head out from the hole in the sand and open your eyes at how capitalism is ruining everything?
And again, you’re making assumptions about me and putting words into my mouth. I never said communism was good. I’m critiquing capitalism. You’re the one who’s been staunchly defending it, only through whataboutism, by bringing up communism, which YOU brought up. Not me.
HAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT???
The fact that the world’s resources and money are owned by a handful of people is proof that capitalism is… a GOOD THING? It proves the success and power of that system? Are you fucking nuts?
Ok man, I don’t care anymore. You’ve got your opinion and it’s clearly biased.