Nah fuck that. They did this. This isnt Trump vs Everybody. The camps are already up. they dont get come back feigning ignorance without even apologizing. They just want a pre 2015 status quo.
Bullshit it’s good, it’s a farce to make the “middle” somewhere between the right wing Democrats and the ultra right wing unhinged fascists of the Republicans.
None of them are going “Damn we shoulda listened to Sanders.”
o asked not to be named. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”
Translation: “Omg can you believe this leopard is eating my face? Now that I’m perso
But getting fucked by 51-49 votes is I think much more difficult to solve than getting fucked by 65-35 votes. When there’s 1-2 votes diff, people don’t know why they’re fucked and what needs to be done to stop it. When it’s 65-35, it’s much more obvious what is to be done and what campaigns have to do to organize voters.
I dunno man, that still feels like they’re saying they basically agree with like 80% of what Republicans want to do in terms of giving tax breaks to the rich and cutting benefits for the poor. It seems like the bridge too far for them has been the actual fascism and tossing out the rule of law. Which is nice, but it means that this other new party will still be enabling some of the worst aspects of the Republicans if they indeed got a split like you are theorizing. That means that 65-35 split will be solidly on the side of “fuck the little guy.”
100%. And I think such a status quo would be much more easy to organize voters against. Picture AOC talking to a crowd and saying how the oligarchs have 2/3 of politicians in the form of those two parties and we need to close the gap by electing more of ours - 15-20 more. Now it’s like - the oligarchs are buying politicians. OK, which ones? OK, what do we do, run independents or primary them within the Democratic party? What other shit can the party pull to fuck us over? Could be totally wrong, I’m just thinking here.
I mean, hell, if the right wing Dems separate from the progressives and join the less-crazy-than-maga centerish Republicans and they go play in corporate-funded Neverland that hopefully no sane voter would touch with a ten foot pole, a real progressive party might actually become a possibility. It’ll isolate the magats and push them back into a hole, we may get a more moderate conservative party that could be open to compromising again, and hopefully a coalition of real progressives can begin putting forward some much needed ideas.
The key will be ensuring that that progressive party is funded well enough to compete with the corporate money that is pumped by the truckload into that new coalition (which will be a feat in itself).
I dunno, just anything to get these fucking fleas out of our politics.
This is a good thing. Don’t mock people for realizing their party has abandoned them and acting accordingly.
Better late than never, but we need to support this ideal.
Workers need to, not the politicians that made this happen.
Nah fuck that. They did this. This isnt Trump vs Everybody. The camps are already up. they dont get come back feigning ignorance without even apologizing. They just want a pre 2015 status quo.
Bullshit it’s good, it’s a farce to make the “middle” somewhere between the right wing Democrats and the ultra right wing unhinged fascists of the Republicans.
None of them are going “Damn we shoulda listened to Sanders.”
They’ve learned fuck-all.
Think of it as creating a new non-MAGA Republican Party, including a few right wing Democrats.
Democrat party continues as before, minus a handful of Jim Manchins
Yup.
But getting fucked by 51-49 votes is I think much more difficult to solve than getting fucked by 65-35 votes. When there’s 1-2 votes diff, people don’t know why they’re fucked and what needs to be done to stop it. When it’s 65-35, it’s much more obvious what is to be done and what campaigns have to do to organize voters.
I dunno man, that still feels like they’re saying they basically agree with like 80% of what Republicans want to do in terms of giving tax breaks to the rich and cutting benefits for the poor. It seems like the bridge too far for them has been the actual fascism and tossing out the rule of law. Which is nice, but it means that this other new party will still be enabling some of the worst aspects of the Republicans if they indeed got a split like you are theorizing. That means that 65-35 split will be solidly on the side of “fuck the little guy.”
100%. And I think such a status quo would be much more easy to organize voters against. Picture AOC talking to a crowd and saying how the oligarchs have 2/3 of politicians in the form of those two parties and we need to close the gap by electing more of ours - 15-20 more. Now it’s like - the oligarchs are buying politicians. OK, which ones? OK, what do we do, run independents or primary them within the Democratic party? What other shit can the party pull to fuck us over? Could be totally wrong, I’m just thinking here.
You don’t understand what they are saying. You don’t understand what I’m saying.
You are the problem. Not some Republican politician whose lie you don’t understand.
This is a very republican method of argument.
Edit: now tell them to go “do your own research”
It’s not an argument. That is why you are confused, don’t understand, and insult.
I agree that it’s not much of an argument.
third parties just can’t win under the current system. we’d need ranked choice voting.
the way forward is through the primaries. that’s how we got Zohran.
theres also the fact that MSM will be issuing propaganda against 3rd parties or dont even report on them at all, giving them less airtime.
I mean, hell, if the right wing Dems separate from the progressives and join the less-crazy-than-maga centerish Republicans and they go play in corporate-funded Neverland that hopefully no sane voter would touch with a ten foot pole, a real progressive party might actually become a possibility. It’ll isolate the magats and push them back into a hole, we may get a more moderate conservative party that could be open to compromising again, and hopefully a coalition of real progressives can begin putting forward some much needed ideas.
The key will be ensuring that that progressive party is funded well enough to compete with the corporate money that is pumped by the truckload into that new coalition (which will be a feat in itself).
I dunno, just anything to get these fucking fleas out of our politics.
They still deserve mockery for taking 9 years to realize it!
And for many other reasons, honestly
Seriously, more party options is a good thing even if some of them suuuck.
This one definitely suuuuucks. Just a little bit less than where we’re at now.
Their “ideals” allowed for this fascist regime to start
So you want them to keep those ideals?