In an interview with "The View," former President Joe Biden said he took some responsibility for President Trump's 2024 win because he was "in charge."
I’m happy to trace this issue back to the founding fathers, but Bush v Gore was the beginning of the end in my opinion.
Regan was awful, but how did Nixon get elected before that and so on? At a certain point there’s a direct line between compromises made during the drafting of the constitution and where we are today. I don’t know where we can realistically draw the line. They saw the problems back then, even warning against two party systems.
What happened with Sanders was just evidence of an already compromised system, and thinking about it now I don’t know that much would’ve been different. The Trump apparatus was already firmly in place.
“I’m happy to trace this issue back to the founding fathers, but Bush v Gore was the beginning of the end in my opinion.”
I share similar sentiments except with Citizens United V FEC instead of Bush V Gore. I can’t imagine any meaningful change without removing private money from politics and I don’t see how anyone can realistically remove private money when it’s ruled to be protected by the first amendment…The only avenues I can think of involve packing the court or passing a constitutional amendment. Packing the court would require only slightly less cooperation from congress than an Amendment.
I hate to stress a point, but Bush v Gore was 2000, and Bush elected two Supreme Court judges that would then go on to decide citizens United under a Bush appointed chief justice.
I don’t know if things definitely would’ve gone differently, but I imagine there would at least be different judges in place.
I blame a lot of the problems on The Third Way Democrats, like Clinton. Basically they tried to take Republican talking points and the Republicans just went more right. It’s also when we got policies like NAFTA which destroyed US manufacturing, emptied a lot of rural and working-class areas, and weakened the Dems connection to labor.
But like you said, we can keep going back and back, to the US reliance on capitalists and imperialism that made these policies inevitable, the failures of Reconstruction, or the compromises made with slave holders back with the founding fathers, etc.
I’m happy to trace this issue back to the founding fathers, but Bush v Gore was the beginning of the end in my opinion.
Regan was awful, but how did Nixon get elected before that and so on? At a certain point there’s a direct line between compromises made during the drafting of the constitution and where we are today. I don’t know where we can realistically draw the line. They saw the problems back then, even warning against two party systems.
What happened with Sanders was just evidence of an already compromised system, and thinking about it now I don’t know that much would’ve been different. The Trump apparatus was already firmly in place.
I share similar sentiments except with Citizens United V FEC instead of Bush V Gore. I can’t imagine any meaningful change without removing private money from politics and I don’t see how anyone can realistically remove private money when it’s ruled to be protected by the first amendment…The only avenues I can think of involve packing the court or passing a constitutional amendment. Packing the court would require only slightly less cooperation from congress than an Amendment.
I hate to stress a point, but Bush v Gore was 2000, and Bush elected two Supreme Court judges that would then go on to decide citizens United under a Bush appointed chief justice.
I don’t know if things definitely would’ve gone differently, but I imagine there would at least be different judges in place.
I blame a lot of the problems on The Third Way Democrats, like Clinton. Basically they tried to take Republican talking points and the Republicans just went more right. It’s also when we got policies like NAFTA which destroyed US manufacturing, emptied a lot of rural and working-class areas, and weakened the Dems connection to labor.
But like you said, we can keep going back and back, to the US reliance on capitalists and imperialism that made these policies inevitable, the failures of Reconstruction, or the compromises made with slave holders back with the founding fathers, etc.
Well put. That was the moment we were shown they would try and bend our democratic process and they should have all been on their ass then.