• Maalus@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    Kewl. If only there wasn’t a country that invaded another country on our borders, that openly talks about invading even more, fucking about with our utilities and using spies, the internet and sabotage to fuck around even more.

    A comfy life needs to be secured with military might, like it or not. Otherwise you get assholes in shitholes trying to forcefully take it from you. Rome knew that, the US knows that, the EU knows this (otherwise it wouldn’t exist - since it is made to increase bargaining power and contains mutual defense clauses).

    So until Russia stops being a militaristic shithole that invades its neighbors and starts building those schools, power plants, hospitals and highways, we need to spend taxes on military. And yes, Russia is a threat - Georgia shown us, 2014 has shown us, 2022 has shown us.

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        10 hours ago

        And there it is, everything is NATOs fault. If only we gave everything to Russia, the world would be saved.

        Tell me, why are there no more Tatars in Crimea?

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          This is like URSS bingo:

          1. They were deported

          2. They were starved to death

          3. They were sent to war

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          Tell me, why are there no more Tatars in Crimea?

          There are, in fact, Tatars in Crimea.

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            Compared to before, no, there aren’t. There has been an ongoing genocide since the tsarist times, that the soviet union “finished”. Thousands of people completely relocated. That’s why people are “wary” of Russia - because it is a genocidal state since time immemorial.

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              Compared to before, no, there aren’t.

              Well, that can be said about Greeks and Armenians in Crimea as well as Crimean Tatars. That’s because after Stalin’s forced movement to Kazakhstan (which is barbaric act, of course) or wherever, when descendants of those people were allowed to return, they were more likely to move elsewhere in the union. And after 1991 Greeks would often repatriate, well, to Greece, changing the ethnic character of the whole Russian and Ukrainian Black Sea coast, and Crimean Tatars to Turkey.

              I think you also underestimate the role of Sevastopol. Purely due to strategic importance there’d be people coming from all parts of the empire and the union, and the “melting pot culture” there was Russian.

              There has been an ongoing genocide since the tsarist times,

              That’s a weird way to say this, before Crimea becoming part of the Russian Empire the actual Crimean Khanate didn’t exist for too long. It seems you have a misconception of Crimean Tatars being some sort of the native population of Crimea. They were not. They were a nomad vassal state to the Ottoman Empire, conquerors themselves. They weren’t the majority there ethnically under that khanate either.

              That’s why people are “wary” of Russia - because it is a genocidal state since time immemorial.

              That’s gross from someone who’s likely a US-American or a European. Also “time immemorial” doesn’t quite mean what you seem to think.

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                1 hour ago

                So they invaded Poland to get back at the US? Like they invaded Poland in 1920 when they got their ass handed to them by a newly sovereign country? Just like they are doing now to Ukraine?

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                  The funny part is that Russia literally did it first, they occupied Poland for 123 years. Then Poland was reformed after WW1, along with Lithuania. Then of course the Russians attacked Poland 2 years after it was reformed / independent, and got their teeth kicked in so hard, they had to wait 20 years to try again and ally with Nazi Germany to succeed.

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        10 hours ago

        Stop protecting yourselves! Or I’ll attack!!

        Do you know why NATO exists?