Google works on making Android shit for the past few years. For example idiotic green dot showing me “something is using gps”. Why don’t I have a choice to remove it? Or not allowing apps to get a process list? It will end up dumb as iOS to within couple years.
F-droid bitches
Oh look, Android users suffering the same bullying behavior they accuse Apple of inflicting on its users!
Except, Android users can still install apps outside the Play Store.
I never use a Play Store version of anything I can find on F-droid or other repos I trust. Then I try it using Aurora Store. Only as a last-resort I try Google. Play Store is only for things I cannot obtian or replace another way.
Learned the hard way, that android auto compatibility (on GrapheneOS) works only with the playstore Version of an app because andoid auto checks the install source. Thats the same gatekeeping at play…
Thanks I hate it.
Yeap, same. I have given up on Android Auto because of that. I am not going to let Google hold my phone hostage so they can force me to pay ransom (with my data.)
Great news. Maybe someone else will think about the rejection of Google.
Thankfully the full feature will still work if you get the app from F-Droid
Hopefully this will motivate more people use F-Droid
I agree with the sentiment, but wouldn’t necessarily recommend F-Droid, see https://privsec.dev/posts/android/f-droid-security-issues/
“Oh no, an issue that will only affect an extremely narrow spread of people who aren’t already aware of it is present, therefore F-Droid bad”
If you’re that concerned about being surveilled, you already have bigger issues.
The signature and the random updates issues can be solved (partially) by using the izzyondroid repo. A lot of the applications on fdroid are on it. It compiles from sources, doesn’t change signatures, and fetch updates on a daily basis.
It doesn’t solve all the issues, but it can help
I noticed that in their info text shown to their users, they don’t mention F-Droid. I wonder if google doesn’t allow them to mention other stores as part of their “security” policies.
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Interesting, Yes I think users should be made aware that if they get the app from F-Droid it will work as intended.
As the article mentions, this isn’t a security “feature,” it’s anti-competetive. The worst part is that Nextcloud isn’t even really in competition with Google. Setting up a Nextcloud server isn’t hard, but it’s not a trivial task. Sharing it outside your local network also requires a bit of skill, especially if done securely. That is to say, Nextcloud users probably tend to be more tech-savvy.
The people using Nextcloud aren’t going to suddenly decide to switch over to Google Drive. I’ll get it from FDroid before I downgrade to Google Drive. If that wasn’t an option, I’d set up an FTP server or even WebDAV.
The worst part is that Nextcloud isn’t even really in competition with Google. Setting up a Nextcloud server isn’t hard, but it’s not a trivial task. Sharing it outside your local network also requires a bit of skill, especially if done securely. That is to say, Nextcloud users probably tend to be more tech-savvy.
That’s only true for those who self-host this. There are lots of companies offering Nextcloud hosting. That’s probably why Google doesn’t like Nextcloud. I’m not saying Google is right. Actually what Google is doing here is quite pathetic.
Actually what Google is doing here is quite pathetic.
So business as usual then?
Unfettered capitalism is just fucking exhausting. What a bunch of assholes. I really need to degoogle my life. Idk how to strip android off my phone and replace it with whatever, but I guess I’m about to find out.
The problem in this case is the Google Play Store, not Android.
Google is blocking Nextcloud from updating their app on the Play Store unless they remove this vital permission. But nothing is stopping Nextcloud from making their app available on third party app stores with the approriate permissions.
If you download the app from F-Droid instead, it should work correctly.
That is not to say that what Google is doing isn’t monopolistic. I’m just pointing out that you can bypass this restriction by not using their app store.
I’ve been wanting a Linux-based degoogled phone for a while now, and though it sorta exists if you happen to have the right phone model, it definitely isn’t ready for the everyday consumer. But if it’s something you really want to do, there are a few options out there. I’ve done the best I can from not using the google ecosystem at all beyond android, which is my last big hurtle.
I’ve been looking at possible phone options too. There are several degoogled Android options but it’s still Android of course. And switching to a Linux phone seems like it would be really limiting without access to Android/iOS apps. Do Linux phone users just use the browser to replace all those apps? I guess it could work, though it seems less ergonomic.
You could run Waydroid on it, which I think would let you use most of the apps you need, except maybe banking apps and the like.
I would love to make a move, but my reason for not trying out for example postmarketOS yet, is the lack of access to several of the core phone features. From the postmarketOS wiki page, for my phone (Fairphone 4), it lacks access to camera, GPS, NFC (don’t care), audio and battery (not sure what is meant by that), and has partial support for calls (not sure what is meant by partial support).
I just now checked the status for Ubuntu Touch however, and it seems like they have actually gotten these things working. Interesting!
I don’t think we need a Linux-Based Phone, A deGoogled Android fork would do, and it would be a familiar place for most users.
Hopefully a company like Samsung offers deGoogled options in the future.
There are already: GrapheneOS (only for Pixel phones) and /e/os for example.
Samsung aren’t exactly good guys either. At this point I’m not sure there is a company who isn’t out to put profit over everything else.
I know Samsung aren’t good guys, but a big company like them ditching Google will open the floodgates for others to also be able to do it
Samsung? that must be a joke right?
I agree that android itself is not really our “opponent”. It’ll take at least a decade until the community puts together something as remotely capable as android. It would be much easier to take AOSP, or Calyx, and revert google changes that do not tie users into google services, but still were strongarmed in there by google, several things that are limiting user freedom (that is, without accessible options to turn the restrictions off).
Samsung is just an example. I would like any big manufacturer to fork Android and strip Google out of it.
If Samsung does it, it would be great for the deGoogle movement, and would open the floodgates for others.
If Samsung does it, it would be great for the deGoogle movement, and would open the floodgates for others.
I’m not sure about that. samsung is not that respectful of ownership righs, in my eyes at least
Take a look at GrapheneOS.
You can just install it off f-droid instead of the play store.
The thing is that this isn’t even unfettered capitalism.
Unfettered capitalism would be so much worse, which is saying something.
I don’t have an Android phone currently but I thought I’d check on iOS and, yep, Google Drive has access to all files. Well that’s a bit hypocritical.
So, I totally remember this pop-up and luckily until now it has not directly impacted me. I auto-backup my photos/videos off my phone and do move non photos/videos on/off nextcloud on occasion but haven’t noticed I could no longer upload regular files.
Luckily…
I self-host Nextcloud I already use F-Droid
So, it wasn’t much work to uninstall the play version and instlall the f-droid version. I should probably go through all my apps and see what’s available on f-droid and swap. But 1) that’s a lot of work and 2) there are some features that break when you do that. I know some mapping software won’t work on Android Auto if not from the play store.
