Honestly Brexit is the least of these problems and all this shit will happen to you too. Angloids just tend to be ahead of the curve. “It can’t happen here” is how it happens in the Netherlands, trust me your fancy bike infrastructure and picturesque villages while great, isn’t safe from this either. It’s only a matter of time before memetic virility jumps language lines.
You’re obviously not in the loop, major housing crisis going on already. But because it across the board it doesn’t necessarily translate to extreme housing prices (although they’ve been getting steeper for years now).
I’m pretty aware of the housing prices, what the fuck does that have to do with anything? You were talking about “bregret” which sounds like a dig at Brexit? The housing crisis has zero to do with that - and absolutely everything to do with the natural result of Neoliberalism.
I’m pretty aware of the housing prices, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
The graph is literally about housing prices
You were talking about “bregret” which sounds like a dig at Brexit? The housing crisis has zero to do with that - and absolutely everything to do with the natural result of Neoliberalism.
Brexit is also a result of neoliberalism, I mentioned it because if remain had won (= the tories wouldn’t be in power the years after the vote), their housing prices would be less like NZ and Canada and more like the European average. That would still be a problem, I’m not implying everything would be fine for UK if they didn’t vote for brexit just like I’m not implying everything is fine in the Netherlands or elsewhere in Europe.
Tories would absolutely be in power. The remain campaign was Cameron’s and the wider establishment’s camp.
No one on the left was vocally pro-remain because supporting neoliberal institutions like the EU and it’s baggage of World Bank and IMF isn’t exactly at the top of leftists minds. Even JC was pro-Brexit way back in the day. I’m pro-EU as a pragmatic thing but I think it would be hard to get the left excited about this. It’s part of why Brexit won really, they had basically no opposition from anyone apart from the most swampiest and wooden of stooges.
their housing prices would be less like NZ and Canada and more like the European average.
I just don’t see the connection. To avoid the housing issues present in the UK now, there would need to be radical nationalized housebuilding campaigns which would require both a party willing to tank house prices for the largest voting block - elderly homeowners.
They would need to fight past NIMBYism and tear up nonsensical environmental regulations (brown land, greens being anti-nuclear, skyline protections), obliterate red tape and cut out the middle-man private compliance consultancies sucking the government dry.
Then they’d need to then again radicalize the largest voting block of the population, the wealthy and the house of lords, alongaide the vast majority of MPs (who are Landlords) by taxing landlords heavily to prevent all new housing going to a few mafias of landlords who will price fix it.
By far most of this country’s productive investment capital is tied up in housing and land, so this would likely create an economic crash as the sheikhs and various russian oligarchs, and other assorted abramoviches of the world pull out of expensive London real estate.
They then would need to scrap some expensive programs like triple lock, foresee that the megaprojects are a waste and do small developments and upgrades to infrastructure to cope with and supply for new housing, alongside nationalising utilities to lower prices both for themselves in getting the new builds connected, and also for the eventual tenants/owners on the bills, which would leave them with disposable income to spend in the economy.
All this would also require lower borrowing costs and either less debt or more GDP to leverage to borrow at lower interest rates, which would require a state that didn’t sell off all of its money making assets in the 80s to private investors who ran with it and are now taking the piss, sometimes down our rivers.
None of those are things the UK has or would have had with or without Brexit.
Unless you can cite a source that attributes house prices increases to Brexit explicitly, or speculate on how a causal relationship would actually work, I don’t see how the two relate in the slightest. I don’t want to be dismissive either - if you have some idea, do tell me and I’d hear ya out.
The reason housing prices in the UK outpace Western Europe isn’t something I’m aware of either, but I think a safe assumption is that demand must be a large factor, safe to assume that immigration to english-speaking countries adds additional demand the housing sector can’t meet, exacerbating the existing issues.
Honestly Brexit is the least of these problems and all this shit will happen to you too. Angloids just tend to be ahead of the curve. “It can’t happen here” is how it happens in the Netherlands, trust me your fancy bike infrastructure and picturesque villages while great, isn’t safe from this either. It’s only a matter of time before memetic virility jumps language lines.
You’re obviously not in the loop, major housing crisis going on already. But because it across the board it doesn’t necessarily translate to extreme housing prices (although they’ve been getting steeper for years now).
I’m pretty aware of the housing prices, what the fuck does that have to do with anything? You were talking about “bregret” which sounds like a dig at Brexit? The housing crisis has zero to do with that - and absolutely everything to do with the natural result of Neoliberalism.
The graph is literally about housing prices
Brexit is also a result of neoliberalism, I mentioned it because if remain had won (= the tories wouldn’t be in power the years after the vote), their housing prices would be less like NZ and Canada and more like the European average. That would still be a problem, I’m not implying everything would be fine for UK if they didn’t vote for brexit just like I’m not implying everything is fine in the Netherlands or elsewhere in Europe.
Tories would absolutely be in power. The remain campaign was Cameron’s and the wider establishment’s camp.
No one on the left was vocally pro-remain because supporting neoliberal institutions like the EU and it’s baggage of World Bank and IMF isn’t exactly at the top of leftists minds. Even JC was pro-Brexit way back in the day. I’m pro-EU as a pragmatic thing but I think it would be hard to get the left excited about this. It’s part of why Brexit won really, they had basically no opposition from anyone apart from the most swampiest and wooden of stooges.
I just don’t see the connection. To avoid the housing issues present in the UK now, there would need to be radical nationalized housebuilding campaigns which would require both a party willing to tank house prices for the largest voting block - elderly homeowners.
They would need to fight past NIMBYism and tear up nonsensical environmental regulations (brown land, greens being anti-nuclear, skyline protections), obliterate red tape and cut out the middle-man private compliance consultancies sucking the government dry.
Then they’d need to then again radicalize the largest voting block of the population, the wealthy and the house of lords, alongaide the vast majority of MPs (who are Landlords) by taxing landlords heavily to prevent all new housing going to a few mafias of landlords who will price fix it.
By far most of this country’s productive investment capital is tied up in housing and land, so this would likely create an economic crash as the sheikhs and various russian oligarchs, and other assorted abramoviches of the world pull out of expensive London real estate.
They then would need to scrap some expensive programs like triple lock, foresee that the megaprojects are a waste and do small developments and upgrades to infrastructure to cope with and supply for new housing, alongside nationalising utilities to lower prices both for themselves in getting the new builds connected, and also for the eventual tenants/owners on the bills, which would leave them with disposable income to spend in the economy.
All this would also require lower borrowing costs and either less debt or more GDP to leverage to borrow at lower interest rates, which would require a state that didn’t sell off all of its money making assets in the 80s to private investors who ran with it and are now taking the piss, sometimes down our rivers.
None of those are things the UK has or would have had with or without Brexit.
Unless you can cite a source that attributes house prices increases to Brexit explicitly, or speculate on how a causal relationship would actually work, I don’t see how the two relate in the slightest. I don’t want to be dismissive either - if you have some idea, do tell me and I’d hear ya out.
The reason housing prices in the UK outpace Western Europe isn’t something I’m aware of either, but I think a safe assumption is that demand must be a large factor, safe to assume that immigration to english-speaking countries adds additional demand the housing sector can’t meet, exacerbating the existing issues.
Yes, my comment was the lines on the graph aren’t labeled.