I cannot defend the establishment of new settlements in taken territories. All I can say is palastine has had plenty of chances to maintain and keep their territories. Like I’ve said, Israel even tried to hand back large amounts of land, but that was jut followed by palistinian attack. Over and over again Hamas has decided that peace is not the way forward. I don’t believe this is the fault of the average Palistinian though. I believe this is the fault of the palistinian leadership which uses these wars like a piggy bank. Robbing their people of billions in aid money while living in luxury in Quatar and other arab states. They’re not waging these wars because they think they can win. They are doing it because they think they can profit. And I strongly believe, hell, I know, that Russia had a huge hand in pushing Hamas toward Oct 7 in order to distrac the west from Ukraine. If we’re being honest, its was an absolutely masterful move by Putiin because, it 1. distracted from Ukraine and 2. split liberal voters in the west. And I think this really needs to be acknowledged a lot more than it is.

I’ll say this though. I do not believe a two state solution is realistic or possible. The hatred of palistinians toward jews is just too systemically ingrained and indoctrinated. This system of indoctrination of Palistinian youth needs to be completely dismantled for there to be a lasting peace. And I don’t think that will ever happen while a seperate (from Israel) Palastine exists. I think Israel knows this well, and what we’re seeing now is Israel trying to unite the two lands through force. They are trying to end the war for good. Israel and Palestine need to be one nation. And arabs and Israelis need to learn to live in peace. It is the only sustainable path forward.

we could have a big argument on the power dynamics you’re talking about, and I don’t really want to, but I will note the slew of pogroms in the middle east and ask you read about why the Bar Giora was formed. This was not a one sided affair.

and you talk about murdering whole families as if that wasn’t the intent of pogroms. Again, both perspectives need to be taken into account.

as for the stuff about the Judenrates, I don’t really want to play games with you. Tell me what your point is or drop it.

not a fan of false equivalencies.

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see. i don’t even try to talk to people like you, because the bias is so thoroughly obvious that I know I will never have a rational conversation with someone like you.

anyone who think jews simply existing in israel is reason enough for hamas to invade and indescriminately start slaughtering civilians can go eat a bag of dicks.

and did this guy just blame my ancestors for 9/11?!?

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1. Jewish re-colonization began long before the british had any input on the subject. The British were actually trying to stop Jewish migration for a while there. But the re-colonization of Israel by Jews goes back at least as far as the 1200s.
2. There have been war crimes on both sides, and they both need be acknowledged in order to have a good faith conversation. Fact of the matter is that hamas is completely indiscriminate in their targets. There have been more than a few cases of Israeli civilian hostages being flat out raped and / or murdered by their captives during this war. I know of at least 2 instances where israeli hostages were actually killed by doctors.

I don’t know enough about the Judenrates to give an opinion on the subject. It looks like an interesting topic though, so I will read up on it.

edit: on my brief reading abotu Judenrates during wwii i get the distinct impression that these were people thrust into leadership positions that they may or may have not have wanted. They were used by the Nazis to potentially make impossible choices that hurt their fellow community members, but they had to make these choices or else their community would have suffered even more harm. They had to make “lesser of the evils” choices. I imagine these choices often made their community members dislike them, whether or not the Judenrates were making these choices with intention of doing the best they could for their people.

I’m curious where you find a connection between these WWII Judenrates and present day Israel?

I’m going to give an honest answer, but i fully expect to be downvoted and demonized for doing so. Nothing I can do about that, but op, you want an honest answer, this is it. I’ll also add that I would 100% consider myself leftist, in fact, extremely leftist in most of my views. Why the hell would my username be what it is and why the hell would I be on lemmy if I wasn’t… anyway… here’s the answer since you asked for it:

The large majority of jews I know, including myself and my family feel like this current war is the fault of Hamas. Oct 7 doesn’t happen, this war doesn’t happen. We also are continually annoyed by the fact that most people on the left, constantly refuse to acknowledge that Hamas has been pushing this war forward non-stop for decades. All you have to do is look up number of missiles launched at Israel since 2000 to see that. People no-doubt try to rebut this by saying “but Israel has been stealing territory”. My constant response to that is they have been taking territory to establish buffer zones to enhance security. As almost all of this land has been taken after conflict. Israel even tried to give back some of this land, but was then attacked again, and had to take land back in order to protect itself – But eventually our conversation just goes back to why this is even happening and we are always frustrated by the fact that any argument from the left condemning Zionists always begins in 1948 – when in fact the troubles of the region started hundreds of years before that. This pre-1948 history seems to never be brought up however. So the blame is always cast 100% on jews and all of the attacks on Jewish civilians within Israel are never ever given the time of day.

It’s incredibly frustrating and scary, because the narrative is fully turning into “jews are evil”, and there is nothing any Jewish person can do about it. Jews are never going to willingly leave Israel and Hamas is never going to stop trying to eradicate jews. There are only 16ish million jews on the planet and almost 2 billion Muslims. There is no way jews could ever win this propaganda war. I think a lot of jews who feel they are on the left side of the political spectrum are too scared to even speak about their feelings on Israel/Palestine at the moment, because they know they are going to be vastly outnumbered and demonized, by those they would usually consider friends, with anything they say. So most of us are silent on the subject because we don’t want to be ostracized.

I will end this by saying, we of course feel bad for civilians caught in the crossfire, but we feel like Jewish civilians are not given that same respect. The sentiment we get is that Jewish civilians seem to deserve it.

Contrary to previously aired propaganda, crime pays very well. as long as you’re good at it.

the willingness to do morally questionable acts in order to accrue income. nothing gets you ahead in this world the way cheating gets you ahead.

few cans of gasoline and some matches could go a long way to help solving this problem

that is DBS and it is very different from what this article in this topic talking about. DBS has been around for a long time, used for other purposes like parkinsons and essential tremor. I’m very familiar with it because i have a form of parkinsons.

the bias is strong with this one.

why do you think it takes less time for the nervous system to improve than muscles?

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and to the mod who removed my post for misinfo, yeah this post

Removed Comment - reason: Misinformation. “Palestinian population is rising in Gaza”. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/1/gaza-population-falls-6-percent-since-start-of-war-statistics-agency-says First, the palistinian population is actually rising in Gaza. Second, look at the middle east man. how many jews have been killed there? every other country outside of israel, the jewish population has been nearly completely eradicated. does that not count as ethnic cleansing to you? october 7th happens and then you blame Israelis for defending themselves. Hamas wanted a war. It got a war. Before 1948, there were pogroms all over the region. During WWII arab politicians literally allied with themselves with the nazis. And you ask why Nakba aka The War of Independence happened. It was self defense. It’s always been self defense. pointless argument though. You have an agenda and no amount of logic will ever change it.

This is not misinfo. Your aljazeera source with hamas sourced numbers is the misinfo. really gotta stop sourcing numbers from the hamas run palistinian ministry of health. and yes, the palistinian central bureau of statistics sourced numbers from the ministry of health, says it right in the article.

my source for the ministry of health being unreliable: https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/HJS-Questionable-Counting-–-Hamas-Report-web-v2.pdf

i get that you don’t like what i’m saying but i’m not the one ignoring facts here.

and Hajj Amin al-Husseini sided with hitler. The most prominant arab leader in mandatory palastine.

this comes off like people saying Gazans don’t support hamas. Yet, when on oct 7 they paraded jewish hostages through the streets, huge numbers of civilians were shown cheering them on.

to say that some politicians sided with the british/allies is to completely sweep under the rug how massively one sided arab support was, and honestly, remains to this day, in favor of the nazis.

you need go no further in your explanation, because that right there, shows me you are not debating in good faith.

I will add though, the Jews that were in the region prior to 1948, were there legally. They did not steal their land. It was obtained legally and not through forceful colonization. But there is a long ass history of violence and hate toward jews, well before 1948… and really long even before the 1900s. The jews had to pay a special tax just for being jewish in the ottoman empire. In 1937 the arabs were offered the clear majority of the region – they rejected it because they simply did not want jews in the region. Period. They wanted all of the land. After that, they allied themselves with the nazis. In 1948 they were offered 45% of the land, and damn thats fucking generous considering they had just allied themselves with hitler.

And if there are any questions as to why the jews wanted their own state, look up stuff like the Hebron Massacre, or the Nebi Musa riots. In 1947 there were many instances of violence targeting jews. Violence toward jews was widespread and intense in the region. The war of independence was a reaction to this.

is macron really this fucking stupid? or is he just acting this fucking stupid?

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which people, which tech, and where?