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  • You have yet to show that it isn’t derogatory, so far you just have your own oppinion.

    Examples have been given, so it’s not opinion: it’s plain observation which you’re denying.

    Where’s your evidence? You’ve only given an overgeneralization

    that is derogatory

    and questionable speculation (not observational evidence) that doesn’t support it.

    It is often used to dehumanize women, as the term is mostly used when talking about animals.

    Even if a term often dehumanizes, does it follow that the term itself is derogatory (especially if common uses often don’t dehumanize)?

    The speculation poses generalizations on observable phenomena.

    1. If a term is mostly used to talk about animals, then it’s dehumanizing.
    2. Noun female is mostly used to talk about animals.

    Some problems with that: where’s your observational, generalizable support for any of it? (Empirical generalizations need that type of support.) Is 2 even true & how would you show that?

    Does your overgeneralization withstand observation? No: if it did, then the example given & other refuting instances wouldn’t be easy to find.

    What is an empirical claim that fails to account for observable reality? Worthless.

    Outright denying observations that conflict with your claim/pretending they don’t exist is part confirmation bias & part selective evidence fallacy. Try respecting logic & choosing tenable claims that can withstand basic observation.

    FYI Linguistics and much of science rely on methods other than statistics. Classical & relativistic physics were developed without it. Planetary observations rejecting geocentrism didn’t involve statistics. Much of linguistics is detailed observation & analysis of language samples to identify patterns and rules, so good luck finding statistical studies to support your claims.



  • Statistics aren’t needed to reject an overgeneralization. On the contrary, you would need something like statistical generalization: you’re (over)generalizing the meaning of a word. Any counterexamples suffice to defeat a bad generalization, since no sample should contradict a true generalization: look it up or take introductory logic.

    You’re overgeneralizing, and only asserting your claim doesn’t begin to meet the burden to support that. In contrast, I’ve indicated evidence exists & where it’s readily found, which you ignore. Ignoring evidence that doesn’t suit you is a fallacy (often committed in bad faith).

    The fact remains that counterexamples to your claim are common, which wouldn’t be expected if the conventional meaning were derogatory.

    Here’s an example quoting a story in the news:

    “What if I would have been armed,” she said. “You’re breaking in. What am I supposed to think? My initial thought was we were being robbed—that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped. You have guns pointed in our faces. Can you just reprogram yourself and see us as humans, as women? A little bit of mercy. […]"

    So your claim is that by referring to her daughters as females, this mother is insulting them?

    While I might be able to argue in “bad faith”, the unsolicited speech productions of the community do not. Do you want to ignore more examples?




  • In posts like this and elsewhere, commenters kept claiming the noun female to refer to a human is generally derogatory or offensive.

    Someone wrote

    Occasionally my partner does or says some things that remind me of the “manosphere” aka 4chan neckbeards.

    A perfect example was that he sometimes says “females” when he means “women”. I explain that it’s not a swear word but it’s still derogatory. I explain why. Once I did, he understood and stopped doing it.

    Despite abundant evidence here (search females), in classifieds, personals & online equivalents (eg, ads that limit eligibility to females), or text corpus searches revealing that the noun female referring to humans is often non-derogatory, so it all depends on the context, they’d insist that usage of the word itself is offensive, insulting, or disrespectful, and they wanted everyone taught to think that until it’s the generally accepted meaning. They didn’t seem to consider that promoting unconventionally sexist framings (ie, female is a dirty word) for wider adoption in our language serves sexists more than anything, and it might make more sense to resist that.