In light of plans to introduce this policy and the particular circumstances surrounding some boxers that competed at the Paris 2024 Olympic Games, World Boxing has written to the Algerian Boxing Federation to inform it that Imane Khelif will not be allowed to participate in the female category at the Eindhoven Box Cup or any World Boxing event until Imane Khelif undergoes sex testing.
Nice; how much sex do they need to have to pass the test?
It isn’t about the quantity. Its about the quality.
at least fifty thrusts
So like 5 theherk sex units.
World Boxing has written to the Algerian Boxing Federation to inform it that Imane Khelif will not be allowed to participate in the female category at the Eindhoven Box Cup or any World Boxing event until Imane Khelif undergoes sex testing.
Phew, that was close, they almost had to pick a pronoun.
They’re gonna discover the same thing they did in the Olympics that made them stop testing.
It was making people uncomfortable how many of them had the wrong sex assigned at birth.
Women and men who had lived their entire lives as one sex realized they actually had the chromosomes for the opposite sex.
There were stages and layers of sex testing within Olympics history, and every time they got mis-classifications they weren’t expecting.
We figured out by the 50s that a gender binary was not imperically proveable. Too many variables that varied seperate from each other and often conflicted with each other.
That word is ‘empirically’ - by experiment or observation
What? Really? Didnt know this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_verification_and_intersex_athletes_at_the_Olympic_Games
The history of sex testing for sports is really interesting, for me it’s interesting because despite almost 100 years of the practice not a single “male imposter” has ever been found.
And I was mistaken. Like another comment on this post says they just stopped testing in men’s sports.
That is really interesting
The irony if transphobia founders over cis gender dysphoria will be breathtaking.
what does this sentence even mean
Foundering means failure or defeat. It’s originally a nautical term for sinking IIRC.
Cis gender dysphoria would be what a cis person feels when they get kicked out of their assigned-at-birth gender, like is being described. Cis being the opposite of trans.
If anti-trans activists can’t handle gender dysphoria, a major challenge which trans people face, that’s ironic.
Just like penis inspection day in gym class
Ah good times. I wonder why coach needed to take pictures though.
Fucking assholes. From what is known about their sex test, it is similarly scientific to the “I know it when I see it” rule from the 1960s to determine if something is obscene. In other words, utter bullshit.
And all of this pretending to care about women while at the same time you have abuse scandals in sports every five minutes that never seem to have real consequences or result in positive change for the athletes.
Yeah, I don’t believe you one bit when you say you want to protect women.
So much pointless and cruel bullshit over fucking sport, and one of the stupidest sports no less.
Yes, this is the cruel part, not the part where the point is to punch the other person until they have enough trauma they lose consciousness.
Not allowing biological men to punch biological women until they fall down? That’s the real fascism.
Put a male In with female boxing and see how fair the match ends. It’s not about cruelty it’s about basic muscular differences between sexes.
Edit: Even after transition surgery the muscle gain/loss is not significant enough to be an appropriate excuse.
They’re specifically targeting Imane Khelif, a female in female boxing.
By claiming that she isn’t actually a woman, and therefore shouldn’t be fighting other women.
yikes I cannot believe your name 😬 you’re basically spouting off right wing anti trans propaganda.
I’d suggest you learn a bit more about transitioning, trans women are not just dudes in dresses. and medical transition destroys theuscle gains you get from being a dude.
I can tell you this first hand, I went from jacked dude bro to not even being able to open a jar.i have to asky bf these days LMAO. by the way, professional women athletes can comfortably destroy any random guy, it’s honestly insulting to have this conversation as if it’s anything but more senseless rage bait to paint targets on our backs.
nobody understands just what transitioningeams or what it does, how sex works
how cis women can literally have testosterone just like a cis guy…like it’s all just hate
also I guarantee moone says shit about trans men in male sports it’s literally just hate. if they really cared about fairness they’d do testing for hormone levels and weight differences and class everyone fairly regardless of sex lol.
I sincerely can’t wait for all the broken brains after this Argentinian chiccs test results come back. it’s so fucking cruel what they are saying about her. to suggest she is trans just. because she makes a bunch of weak minded people feel insecure in their understandings of how biology works lol
bein trans is not allowed in Argentina, she’s just masculine cis woman, and I’m sure these cronies know this, they just want to take every opportunity to pass judgement on women specifically under some virtue signalling bullshit
they don’t care about fairness if they did Imsurance companies wouldn’t happily deny a cancer victim. they wouldn’t get off on struggling students whoe graduated sid everything right and still end up homeless
it’s all just silly imo, we’re so pathetic as a species sometimes it makese sad
I’m just being pedantic, but she’s from Algeria, not Argentina.
Otherwise, appreciate your perspective. Hormone changes are like magic!
yikes I cannot believe your name 😬 you’re basically spouting off right wing anti trans propaganda.
When did you become so stupid was it at birth or did you hit your head recently? Fascism is a consequence of far right policy gone unchecked, so in what world does my user name reading “FuckFascism” have anything remotely to do with “spouting off right wing anti trans propaganda”?
Why wouldn’t they then measure testosterone levels instead? What if a trans man fights a woman, because he has a vagina? Is that a fair fight?
If we were to borrow some rules from the Olympics, trans man fighting a woman cannot hava a vagina:
- Surgical anatomical changes have been completed, including external genitalia changes and gonadectomy
- Legal recognition of their assigned sex has been conferred by the appropriate official authorities
- Hormonal therapy appropriate for the assigned sex has been administered in a verifiable manner and for two years after gonadectomy.
I’d rather fight Tate than Khelif, that’s for sure. One of the two knows how to move, the other one knows how to be angry.
Your feelings aside this is insane. Tate was a 4x world kickboxing champion at light heavyweight. He’d demolish you with one hand tied behind his back
Tate’s record was heavily inflated and after he got one that looked good he stopped fighting because it had served its purpose, and he wasn’t a world champion of anything certified by an organization that actually means anything
I’m not saying you’re wrong necessarily, but one of these people just came off winning an Olympic medal and the other basically won one title and retired
He might – I doubt with one hand, but in any case the point is not that I’d be keen on fighting either, the point is that Tate would be an easier fight than Khelif. Tate does have the capacity, in principle, to be a good fighter (e.g. you can see is kinaesthetic sense in action when he’s dancing, and he does have grit), he could have achieved titles that mean anything to anyone instead of being world champion of beating up complete amateurs and then promptly retiring. Alas, his neuroses are in the way. Lots of show, lots of bluster, dangerous in the sense that a rabid dog is dangerous because, as said, he knows how to be angry. Khelef? Calm, clean, methodical, keeps her centre, actually thinks in the ring. Whole different league, and nothing to do with raw strength. Strength doesn’t do shit when you suck at the rest.
Again this is just delusional. I’m no Tate fanboy but I follow combat sports and train regularly - he’s like 30kg heavier than her and he’s got legit world class skill.
Don’t believe me? Listen to the MMA goat Demetrius Johnson himself break down some footage https://youtu.be/NMwuAut8JJc
A was talking about how they fight, not how they spar… In an edited video. An edited video of a notoriously vain man, for consumption by his fans. Commented by another man with enough of a martial arts beard to declare a clear win a draw and who knows exactly how to keep armchair blackbelts clicking on his videos. No shade though I mean if just one Tate bro now watches Johnson instead of Tate that’s a good thing.
He’s got talent, yes, I already acknowledged that. He’s got some training, that combination is how he beat up complete amateurs (seriously – look at the fight record of the people he fought). He’s probably hitting bags regularly, but, and here comes the kicker: Bags don’t win Olympic medals. Bags don’t study their opponent. Bags don’t evade. Bags don’t out-focus and out-strategise. There’s a reason he quit kickboxing and that’s because he realised he doesn’t have the mind for it (Obligatory Bruce Lee) and quitting early allowed him to grift better.
Watch the Raab vs. Halmich fights one day if you get the chance. Raab is certainly not even a proper amateur when it comes to skill (those are meme fights), but just to get an impression of how 30kg weight difference don’t mean shit in the face of a skill gap. Their height difference is 20cm, Khelif/Tate would be more around 10.
I’m hardly a Tate bro. Just saying female gold medalist boxer is not beating a larger, faster, and sure slightly less skilled male. The gap in physiologies is too great
Meanwhile in the near future: world boxing to end needless sex testing to save costs.
The peak of being afraid of girls
The international rise of the Cult of Naturalism and the growing prevalence of their ur-eugenics pseudoscience is horrifying to watch. Like so many other actively harmful ideologies and policies I don’t see any non-violent solutions.
To check whether they’ve had it recently or just ever?
I’ve been trying to make “You’re a regular Imane Khelif!” happen (e.g. you’re a superwoman). Or “That hits like Imane Khelif”. Don’t let shitheads write her narrative, you care more than they do, so drop it if you get a chance.
To an extent, I am okay with this. All it would take is one male beating the ever living shit out of a female for people to raise hell. I don’t see this as the males being afraid of the females, as much as boxing be afraid of the double standard consequences.
Woah dude you’re in danger of sounding like a bigot
/s
I care if a male fights a female about as much as I care if I get called a bigot or not. I don’t. I’m not a sensitive cuck like Trump or MAGA in general. I’m just sick of the fucking double standards for this shit. Not by the leagues, conference, division, whatever governing body. But by the masses. The US has already proven that that about 50% of the population are total morons. The masses are the ones that can’t handle male vs female in sports. If a female can fight males, go for it. Let’s do it and find the best. I just don’t want to hear shit when a male beats a female, or when a female beat a male…other than congrats and GG.
So much more fun if you believe it to be a test of skill instead of the depressing reality.
Regardless of where you stand on this issue one thing is fact. Republicans love this issue because it wins them elections over and over and will continue well into the future. Think your going to vote Trumps and his kind out of politics while fighting hard on this issue? People are terrified to vote Democrat just on this and the bathroom points alone. Gay rights/acceptance have come very far in my lifetime, and that is awesome but we are on the edge of losing ALL of those hard won fights while facing full on fascism world over if we don’t strategically/temporarily retreat on ‘some’ issues until we have power and minds again. Take the wins and fight another day, the masses are too divided over this issue at this point in history thus causing weakened voting power blocs while the right is strongly united. I know for a fact there are many rightwing plants everywhere pretending to be left leaning using these talking points to divide us. A smart person picks when, where and how they fight, if winning is the goal.
Yeh, it was this and not shrieking about immigrants or the economy.
Get a clue
I’m gay. A political scientist with a PhD in statistics and have spent most of my adult life working in Washington. I would never make a statement like that unless I had the actionable data with a negligible margin of error. There is a reason I have not replied back to that thread, need a clue? You just read it.
I’m a genius level statistician with 2 PhDs in statistics and multidimensional mathematics.i currently work on quantum computing prototypes.
If you have data, I’d love to see it. But everyone knows everyone on the internet makes shit up.
That’s the same thing they said about gay rights in the 90’s though
Political wins, humanization and support for the existence of non-cis people, it’s potato potahto to you right?
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