• DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    The wealthiest nation on the planet has to abandon accountability to save a few bucks.

    Clown country.

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    Citizens should up their shooting of DEA agents in response. Who’s going to see without the body cam? Seems American institutions need to go back to learning by trial and error.

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      And find a way to have it automatically sync to the cloud, with automatic release if certain reporting in parameters aren’t met

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        the ACLU Mobile Justice app does this

        Holy shit they shut it down a month after dorito stain took office what the fuck

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          Bad timing, but I’m guessing they ran out of funding to continue app development, since now they have so much legal battles to do. The app was already broken, buggy, and barely functional for the past 5 years.

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    Body cams were never a solution to anything. I remember multiple police murders recorded on body cams were the officer was acquitted by the jury. Police murder is basically legal in US*. Recording it doesn’t change anything. As for police brutality in general they simply learned to shout “stop resisting” when beating people up. Without basic accountability the recording are useless.

    *It’s enough if police officer thinks he is in danger to make killing legal. Pretty much if he’s scared he can shoot. Body cams can’t prove he wasn’t scared.

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      Body cams aren’t the solution, but they do help a lot. When cops have zero oversight, they commit way more atrocities, on average.

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        You should read this: https://prismreports.org/2024/07/16/complex-troubling-history-police-body-cameras/

        "Long before body cameras were introduced to the public and found themselves in mainstream conversations about police reform, they were first peddled to police departments by tech companies and major corporations.

        With body cameras, law enforcement agencies could expand their surveillance capacity, mitigate police brutality lawsuits, create “highly controllable evidence” against the largely poor, largely Black citizens of whom police often seek to capture footage, and quell social unrest by creating “comprehensive digital archives” of attendees at protests for social change"

        “It was the 2014 police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, that would forever change the public conversation around police accountability and allow body cameras to take center stage. Almost immediately, body cameras were no longer being pitched behind closed doors to police departments, but were rather presented to the public as an invaluable tool for police “reform” and increased “transparency.””

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          Anyone can record in public at any time anyway. There’s no reason to not have police body cams even if they aren’t as effective as they should be. The police will always have body cameras if they want them, and they don’t want them. If the police don’t want to wear them, that tells me that they probably should even if we need to work on getting public access to the footage.

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            With body cameras, law enforcement agencies could expand their surveillance capacity, mitigate police brutality lawsuits, create “highly controllable evidence” against the largely poor, largely Black citizens of whom police often seek to capture footage, and quell social unrest by creating “comprehensive digital archives” of attendees at protests for social change"

            Did you read this part? It pretty much contradicts everything you said.

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              Yes, I read it but I don’t see any evidence to think that their stance is correct. Just because somebody writes something doesn’t mean it is correct or even accurate. There’s no citation for anything except one study demonstrating that the footage is not used to convict police officers very often, which is the real problem.

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                https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/research-body-worn-cameras-and-law-enforcement

                “Across these evaluations, researchers looked at a range of outcomes, including use of force, citizen complaints, arrests, and assaults on officers. Four of the body-worn camera programs evaluated were found to have no, limited, or even negative effects.”

                https://cebcp.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/BWCpaperLumetal.pdf

                “Prosecutors, however, rarely bring cases against the police (Skolnick & Fyfe, 1993), and it remains to be seen whether this will change much as a result of BWCs. In their study of the use of BWCs in the courts, Merola et al. (2016) found that nearly all (93.0%) responding prosecutors’ offices in jurisdictions that use BWCs use them primarily to prosecute citizens. Not surprisingly, 80.0% of responding prosecutors in Merola et al.’s survey support BWC use by the police, and 63.0% feel cameras will assist prosecutors more than defense attorneys”

                I know that probably no amount of research and evidence will change your mind but those are pretty easy to find so I just leave it here for other people to see.

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                  I can’t tell if you are agreeing with me or not. I just said the real problem is that it’s not used to prosecute police officers enough. Are you disagreeing with me citing one study that said four programs potentially had some negative outcome?

                  If body cameras are good for police, why do police not want to wear them?