To fellow travelers, Hannah Brehm likely looked like she was taking a belated babymoon well into her third trimester.
But she and her husband had received a crushing diagnosis: Their baby’s brain was not developing properly, upending their wanted pregnancy. Medical experts warned moving forward would likely mean her son would know only pain and suffering. The Minnesota couple wasn’t going to take that chance.
Instead, they went to Colorado, where for decades the Boulder Abortion Clinic served as a resource for women who looked to terminate their pregnancies in the second or third trimester because of medical reasons, like Brehm, or other circumstances.
After more than 50 years, that clinic quietly closed last month, leaving the U.S. with just a handful that offer abortions after 28 weeks into pregnancy — many on a case-by-case basis.
They’re not done for funsies
These are vital medical procedures, performed by talented professionals, in the event of dire need
If you don’t want an abortion, then don’t have one
Nobody else gets a fucking say in a anyone’s bodily autonomy
Even if they WERE done for funsies (which, like you said,they’re not), they’d just be early c sections. Nobody just kills an embryo if both it and the pregnant person could reasonably survive.
Yep, and it is still fundamentally the choice of nobody but the person carrying the foetus
Yep, nobody can be forced to use their body for anything, including the survival of a foetus, embryo, or even fully developed human. It’s so weird how most people would agree that nobody should be forced to even donate blood to save a life, but if it’s a uterus, it’s somehow controversial.
It’s easy to understand when you realise that it’s all about controlling women
If men could get pregnant, then having abortions would be something boasted about in locker rooms
The fact that men can’t get pregnant has been a source of privilege and power for all time
The whole point of civilisation is that we are supposed to be able to overcome our base nature, but I have never really believed that civilisation had ever been anything other than a thin veneer
Thinner in many places than others, and America is a horrifying example of a polished turd.
Don’t scratch the surface or poke it even a little bit…
Oh yeah, that’s what it is in origin. But not for every idiot who falls for it. Some genuinely take it at face value and don’t apply the same anti-bodily-autonomy logic to anything else, and that’s what I find confusing.
Because you’re making the mistake that they are capable of thinking like reasonable people
They are fuelled by ignorance, self-righteousness and hate
Don’t forget the hypocricy. They would have an abortion in a heartbeat, or force one on their daughters if it suited
There’s certainly many cases like this. But I wouldn’t be dismissive like that- some are ONLY ignorant. I’ve changed someone’s mind before. They hadn’t had access to all that much formal education and it was just the standard way of thinking in their village. The hadnt heard it explained like I did before.
But she and her husband had received a crushing diagnosis: Their baby’s brain was not developing properly, upending their wanted pregnancy. Medical experts warned moving forward would likely mean her son would know only pain and suffering. The Minnesota couple wasn’t going to take that chance.
Yeah so it turns out most people don’t get 6 months into ultrasounds and painting nurseries and making lists of names and planning showers and gender reveal parties then suddenly just decide “…nah!” It’s usually a woman you’re making carry around a dead baby that’s also probably a threat to her life by way of hemorrhage or sepsis
Weirdly enough I only had my tubes taken out instead of my whole uterus because I thought it would maybe be cool to offer it to some other woman (I can appreciate the “beauty of life” or whatever happening in somebody else’s body). But that kind of program (and those programs do exist, there have been live births from transplanted uteri!) can only exist if the doctors and their patients have full decision-making power over what happens during the process. No doctor in their right mind is going to start that kind of process if there’s a possibility that when something goes wrong (and things always go wrong) the government will just step in and tell them it’ll strip their license for saving moms life (especially since without mom, there’s almost definitely no baby anyway). So it was a nice thought, but I guess I’m keeping it unless my IUD punctures it or something (I just got cramps again tonight for the first time in months too, and preventing them is the main reason I kept the IUD!).
Wait is that possible? I’d donate my uterus in a heart beat. But I thought since organ transplants are a big deal and you have to be on immuno suppressants for life if you have one, among other issues, the receiver wouldn’t be able to safely be pregnant.
Oh it’s super high risk (that’s why it can only be done when the doctors are allowed to do what they have to to keep the mother safe) and they actually take it back out when they’re done!
So it’s more like a uterus rental, then?
This economic model of not owning things has gone way too far.
Would that make surrogacy more like timeshares?
I mean a better analogy would be single / limited-use items considering it can’t really be used after it comes out of the recipient. There’s a different joke about capitalism in there somewhere but I’m getting sleepy so good night!
Something something planned obsolescence?
That’s pretty fucking funny actually.
That’s so fascinating!
She isn’t offering a transplant, but to be a surrogate mother i believe
Fuck no they’re not doing it in my body they can have the uterus though. I specifically said I can appreciate that miracle of life shit when it’s not in MY body.
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Did you read the specific example of the couple who wanted to go to this clinic? Desperately want a baby, ready to be parents, but the fetus’ brain wasn’t developing properly and would result in a child who would experience excruciating pain and die soon (if there wasn’t a potentially dangerous miscarriage to boot)?
Do you take pride in being the most abhorrent, least likeable version of yourself? Does it bring you joy when people are miserable because of you?
Because that’s not normal, and it shouldn’t. Seek help.
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Lmao nice bait. You’re literally in the meme. 10-week old fetuses aren’t babies, dipshit.
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Bro got fucking Mogged in the comments for being a dipshit and deleted all his comments lmfao.
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I may be somewhat insufferable, but you’re out here denying women the right to manage their own bodies in favor of a clump of cells that can’t think.
<3
But in reality, bad.
Fuck you.
Why do I have the right to empty a magazine into someone trying to take my, or someone else’s organs without consent, but somehow a fetus doing it without consent is special? How come I can refuse to donate a kidney or something to my already born children even if they’d die without it, and that’s fine too, but I can’t just refuse a uterus for them before they even cognitively exist?
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I’m genuinely curious, when in development do you think consciousness begins?
For you, does this have anything to do with human life being special or sacred, or having a soul?
I’m not looking to mock or provoke, I’m just curious because I’ve seen people place importance on the life or dna of the fetus being human or importance on when the brain forms, or when the heart starts beating. People have a wide variety of opinions on both when life starts and on when personhood starts, and the criteria they use for each. I think discussing these things objectively could help reduce internet arguments on the topic, but only if people have good faith discussion. I realize that is tough to do these days.
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I believe human life to be valuable
No, you don’t. You don’t value a woman’s life as much as a baby’s when she needs a late term abortion due to medical issues.
I know they think they are doing what is right.
Which means you think it’s wrong. The difference between you and them is you eliminate the choice a woman has.
Imagine watching people feed their babies into a grinder and not even being able to convince them that it isn’t a great thing to do.
People don’t feed their babies into grinders but you know that.
Whether you truly believe the things you say or are simply a troll is moot. Only one side of the abortion argument rests in removing bodily autonomy from women and controlling them.
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We are all controlled.
No, we’re not. I don’t know what kind of nonsense this is supposed to be.
Sometimes a child cannot survive, and must be killed lest they kill the mother. Things like that happen. That place wasn’t restraining themselves to those edge situations. Sometimes people were cutting up babies just for being inconvenient.
Yeah? Anything to support that? More importantly, if a woman gets pregnant and you are neither the woman in question, nor the doctor who is providing her care then what business is it of yours at all? Explain why you (or any other person outside of the woman and her care provider) should have any say in whether a woman decides to terminate a pregnancy or not. You can object to it, you can dislike it, but you absolutely do not have the right to remove her right to bodily autonomy and choice.
You need not worry. I don’t vote for Republicans. You don’t need to overcompensate to get extra points for your partisan games…
I don’t care about politics, you do. You brought it up. You can vote for whomever you like, I’m just sick of people like you who seem to believe you have some moral authority to control how a woman chooses to manage her own body because of how you feel about it.
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Personally my own line of thought is I wasn’t a person until at a minimum the first bit of brain was there, and I want more research on consciousness to figure out how much it took for me to have a concept of “me”, and I figure before that I was no more a person than my mom’s liver is. But I recognize not everyone is going to agree with that. But if you think there is a person from the moment a unique dna sequence is formed, it is easy to see how you can have your perspectives on the subject of abortion. I may not agree, but I understand better.
