But now that you mention it, the MUh boTH sides false equivalence fallacy is textbook Russian IRA troll farm tactics though. No surprise Republicans are in bed with Russians I suppose.
BTW, that you fixated on this destroys any credibility you may have had.
But now that you mention it, the MUh boTH sides false equivalence fallacy is textbook Russian IRA troll farm tactics though.
Because the Democrats weren’t supporting Israel’s genocide just as vigorously as the Republicans? Remember the North Gaza offensive? The war with Lebanon? Bombing the shit out of Syria? Bombing Yemen? Sometimes equivalence can be true, too.
Let’s pretend they’re the same on genocide (they’re not, because Harris wouldn’t have advocated turning it into a riviera, cut USAID that helped Gazans, or escalated in bombing Iran, leaving aside the fact that Bibi explicitly wanted), but:
In a binary choice election with the inevitable choices being Harris or Trump, one opted to assert both sides / false equivalence Harris being obviously better on:
Climate Change
Healthcare
LGBTQ+ rights
Women’s bodily autonomy
Ukraine (and Russia’s ongoing genocide in Ukraine; so are bystanders complicit in genocide there?)
Economic Inequality
Immigration
Instead one enabled victory for the person who was not only worse in 1 genocide but arguably 3 genocides when counting Ukraine and Climate Change.
Harris wouldn’t have advocated turning it into a riviera
I’m sure the dead would take great solace that their killer didn’t also have real estate ambitions.
leaving aside the fact that Bibi explicitly wanted
Biden was not known for standing up to Israel, to put it mildly. When Harris was asked what she’d do differently than Biden, her answer was “there is not a thing that comes to mind.” She later amended that to “what’s the difference between Joe Biden and me? … I’m going to have a Republican in my cabinet”.
LGBTQ+ rights
The “T” there being the people the Dems immediately tried to throw under the bus when they lost?
Economic Inequality
I mean, look at all the love and support the party is showing Mamdani after he kicked Cuomo’s ass in the primary 🙄
Look, I get your point, and I voted for Harris (grudgingly), but until we primary enough of these crusty old Republican-lites in party leadership these losses are just going to get worse. They yelled and screamed (rightly) about how Democracy was on the line, and when their option was “save Democracy or move right” they chose the latter.
Respectfully, I don’t see the sense in complaining about “wedge issues” and then turning around and driving wedges between you and other people trying to get the party’s head out of its ass.
I love how you dodged more than half of the issues, knowing you didn’t have jack shit. Respectfully, of course.
Sounds like one is complicit in genocide with respect to both climate change and Ukraine.
(by the way: you love mamdani; if they’re all the same, why did he run as a Democrat? You should hate him too, right? So I guess they’re not all the same and Democrats are, objectively better, is that right?)
I love how you dodged more than half of the issues, knowing you didn’t have jack shit.
Hence your substantive engagement on what I did mention?
you love mamdani
Never claimed this.
If they’re all the same
Never claimed this.
You should hate him too, right?
None of this is about hate, it’s about which policy decisions are better than others.
So I guess they’re not all the same and Democrats are, objectively better, is that right?
Again, never claimed.
Everything you’re saying comes across as being less about “how do we improve things” and more “I need someone to be angry at.” I would propose directing that anger at the politicians instead of your fellow voters.
Hence your substantive engagement on what I did mention?
I dish back that which has been dished out.
Never claimed this.
Implied.
Never claimed this.
So you are saying Democrats and Harris would’ve been better?
None of this is about hate, it’s about which policy decisions are better than others.
And Harris had overall better policy decisions, correct?
Again, never claimed.
So you agree Harris had overall better policy decisions, correct?
Everything you’re saying comes across as being less about “how do we improve things” and more “I need someone to be angry at.” I would propose directing that anger at the politicians instead of your fellow voters.
The two notions aren’t mutually-exclusive. You see, in order to improve things, fools asserting defeatist false equivalence fallacy rhetoric need to learn from their disastrous mistakes. Because you’re the one responsible, that is making you a bit uncomfortable, I suspect.
I would propose making fewer logical fallacies next election cycle.
(they’re not, because Harris wouldn’t have advocated turning it into a riviera, cut USAID that helped Gazans, or escalated in bombing Iran, leaving aside the fact that Bibi explicitly wanted),
Slightly less fascist rhetoric doesn’t matter if it’s not accompanied by actions, I haven’t heard of significant USAID involvement in Gaza during the war, Democrats haven’t opposed the bombings much* and fascists aren’t the smartest bunch, respectively.
*This is a valid point, but I disagree. I know about the war powers resolution, but no establishment Democrat leaders have actually indicated they’d use that to stop the bombings. Schumer simply wanted the bombings to be done with congressional approval. The bombings are much better understood in terms of Israeli domestic politics given that Netanyahu’s government was facing dissolution. If anything Trump did get Netanyahu to stop; I’m not sure we could expect the same from AIPAC Democrats.
In a binary choice election with the inevitable choices being Harris or Trump, one opted to assert both sides / false equivalence Harris being obviously better on:
Okay but the very real problems that depressed Democratic turnout weren’t disinformation; the Democrat pitch was legitimately terrible. Whether that justified not voting aside, scathing criticism of the Democrats was justified and not disinformation.
I’'m not American so I couldn’t vote either way, but calling out assholes like Pelosi and Schumer for being oligarchy and AIPAC stooges is not and was not disinformation. Voting for Harris is its own conversation and has nothing to do with that. Also your link’s information ends in 2022.
Criticism of Dems, specifically false equivalence botherism, was objectively disinfo. We know Israel and Russia have troll farms that supported Republicans, and many people including yourself lapped up that rhetoric. Doesn’t matter if you’re a US citizen or not. You helped amplify the propaganda. So thanks for that.
I said right-wing, not Russia. Try again, maybe?
But now that you mention it, the MUh boTH sides false equivalence fallacy is textbook Russian IRA troll farm tactics though. No surprise Republicans are in bed with Russians I suppose.
BTW, that you fixated on this destroys any credibility you may have had.
Oh you’re right, my bad.
Because the Democrats weren’t supporting Israel’s genocide just as vigorously as the Republicans? Remember the North Gaza offensive? The war with Lebanon? Bombing the shit out of Syria? Bombing Yemen? Sometimes equivalence can be true, too.
Let’s pretend they’re the same on genocide (they’re not, because Harris wouldn’t have advocated turning it into a riviera, cut USAID that helped Gazans, or escalated in bombing Iran, leaving aside the fact that Bibi explicitly wanted), but:
In a binary choice election with the inevitable choices being Harris or Trump, one opted to assert both sides / false equivalence Harris being obviously better on:
Instead one enabled victory for the person who was not only worse in 1 genocide but arguably 3 genocides when counting Ukraine and Climate Change.
It logically makes zero sense.
I’m sure the dead would take great solace that their killer didn’t also have real estate ambitions.
Biden was not known for standing up to Israel, to put it mildly. When Harris was asked what she’d do differently than Biden, her answer was “there is not a thing that comes to mind.” She later amended that to “what’s the difference between Joe Biden and me? … I’m going to have a Republican in my cabinet”.
The “T” there being the people the Dems immediately tried to throw under the bus when they lost?
I mean, look at all the love and support the party is showing Mamdani after he kicked Cuomo’s ass in the primary 🙄
Look, I get your point, and I voted for Harris (grudgingly), but until we primary enough of these crusty old Republican-lites in party leadership these losses are just going to get worse. They yelled and screamed (rightly) about how Democracy was on the line, and when their option was “save Democracy or move right” they chose the latter.
Respectfully, I don’t see the sense in complaining about “wedge issues” and then turning around and driving wedges between you and other people trying to get the party’s head out of its ass.
I love how you dodged more than half of the issues, knowing you didn’t have jack shit. Respectfully, of course.
Sounds like one is complicit in genocide with respect to both climate change and Ukraine.
(by the way: you love mamdani; if they’re all the same, why did he run as a Democrat? You should hate him too, right? So I guess they’re not all the same and Democrats are, objectively better, is that right?)
Hence your substantive engagement on what I did mention?
Never claimed this.
Never claimed this.
None of this is about hate, it’s about which policy decisions are better than others.
Again, never claimed.
Everything you’re saying comes across as being less about “how do we improve things” and more “I need someone to be angry at.” I would propose directing that anger at the politicians instead of your fellow voters.
I dish back that which has been dished out.
Implied.
So you are saying Democrats and Harris would’ve been better?
And Harris had overall better policy decisions, correct?
So you agree Harris had overall better policy decisions, correct?
The two notions aren’t mutually-exclusive. You see, in order to improve things, fools asserting defeatist false equivalence fallacy rhetoric need to learn from their disastrous mistakes. Because you’re the one responsible, that is making you a bit uncomfortable, I suspect.
I would propose making fewer logical fallacies next election cycle.
Slightly less fascist rhetoric doesn’t matter if it’s not accompanied by actions, I haven’t heard of significant USAID involvement in Gaza during the war, Democrats haven’t opposed the bombings much* and fascists aren’t the smartest bunch, respectively.
*This is a valid point, but I disagree. I know about the war powers resolution, but no establishment Democrat leaders have actually indicated they’d use that to stop the bombings. Schumer simply wanted the bombings to be done with congressional approval. The bombings are much better understood in terms of Israeli domestic politics given that Netanyahu’s government was facing dissolution. If anything Trump did get Netanyahu to stop; I’m not sure we could expect the same from AIPAC Democrats.
Okay but the very real problems that depressed Democratic turnout weren’t disinformation; the Democrat pitch was legitimately terrible. Whether that justified not voting aside, scathing criticism of the Democrats was justified and not disinformation.
Like I said, you willingly threw Ukrainians under the bus in this self-defeating mindset, leaving aside the other issues mentioned…
So just tell me you don’t care about:
And I’ll actually understand a little better!
Also you weren’t aware USAID helped Palestinians? Inform yourself! https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106243#%3A~%3Atext=Fast+Facts%2Cfiscal+years+2020+through+2022.
I’'m not American so I couldn’t vote either way, but calling out assholes like Pelosi and Schumer for being oligarchy and AIPAC stooges is not and was not disinformation. Voting for Harris is its own conversation and has nothing to do with that. Also your link’s information ends in 2022.
Criticism of Dems, specifically false equivalence botherism, was objectively disinfo. We know Israel and Russia have troll farms that supported Republicans, and many people including yourself lapped up that rhetoric. Doesn’t matter if you’re a US citizen or not. You helped amplify the propaganda. So thanks for that.
Billions in aid to Gaza and West Bank even through 2022 prove the point regardless, but sure: https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-usaid-gaza-ceasefire-0a56d5d591c249eb5e44ba29c9adaa3e
You still didn’t answer: do you not care about all those issues?